Colin Tipping
About Colin Tipping
Colin Tipping : Colin Tipping was an influential figure known for his work in the field of personal and spiritual growth, particularly for his creation of Radical Forgiveness. He was an award-winning author, workshop leader, and the acknowledged authority on the application of Radical Forgiveness technology to the healing of individuals, families, races, corporations, and communities 1.
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Colin Tipping was born in England in 1941 and taught at London University before immigrating to the United States in 1984. He co-founded the Georgia CancerHelp Program and Together-We-Heal, Inc., and founded The Institute for Radical Forgiveness Therapy and Coaching. He authored the international bestseller “Radical Forgiveness: Making Room for the Miracle” and other books and online programs based on the practice of Radical Forgiveness.Â
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He has since passed away.
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Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgQilm2cqls
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So my name is Colin Tipping. I’m the author of Radical Forgiveness, the book Radical Forgiveness, and the provider of many many workshops based on that concept.
I’d also become certified as a clinical hypnotherapist and I was attracting for some reason people who had cancer or had had cancer was working on a Mind Body Spirit approach to healing cancer or at least preventing a recurrence shall we say and I didn’t know why again because I had had no experience of cancer and it was not in my family so I didn’t really, I wondered why but it didn’t matter at that time and then um, then I found out
when I started to research it that people who experience cancer many- many of them, have a tendency to have a problem with forgiveness. Their modus operandi in dealing with their emotions is to suppress them and repress them, deny them intensely  and so it, it goes deep into the psyche and deep into the body and then, then they pretend that it’s okay that you know, they don’t feel anything, they numb out or they get addicted to something in-order-to stay numbed out and medicate it and that there was  so this, I suddenly realized then that I had been sort of led to work with these people to help them find a way of forgiving that did not demand the kind of things that traditional forgiveness demand which is to go digging up the past and replaying it all over and because that’s what they’ve been avoiding all their lives.Â
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They didn’t want to go there so we had to find a way to teach them how to forgive in a 5-day retreat, we started doing these retreats in the North Georgia Mountains and that was in 1990 after I’d met my wife and married her in 89 or no 90 we married her, I married her and then um we started doing these retreats in the North Georgia Mountains and we had to find a way to help them forgive in a way that was quick, very easy to do, was a simple step by step process and required no therapy. Unlike traditional forgiveness which there is no step-by-step process for traditional forgiveness, no one can tell you really what to do. They just said forgive but they don’t really, there’s no method, there’s no real strong methodology and so that wasn’t um, that wasn’t available to us when we were trying to help these people so, so that’s when we came up with radical forgiveness and that would so I could say that the Catalyst really for us
developing this mod mode of forgiveness was to help people with cancer.Â
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But to do it in a way that is that doesn’t require you to go digging up the past that’s the whole point of it, it, it, it with radical forgiveness what we do we take what’s happening in your life now and, and deal with that and nine times out of 10 it will take you all the way, back to stuff that you had repressed and denied earlier on  and heals that at the same time but you don’t have to know what that is because the process of radical forgiveness is, is so simple and easy and it works on the energetic level. It’s not mental, it’s using what I call spiritual intelligence which we use to access the energetic patterns that have been created by these traumas and  things that we have buried. They’re buried in the body and they hold energy patterns that are stuck in the body. And so if we use radical forgiveness as a way to unlock that energy, it’s automatic, it happens so quickly and so easily that the people don’t even realize it until a few, you know, minutes later that something has happened.Â
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Now with traditional forgiveness, it can take years to forgive anything if it ever happens I don’t believe it happens in but a few cases, and those that do make it end up on Oprah. You know, you see Oprah saying.âI don’t know how you did that, I don’t know how you could forgive that.â Well, with radical forgiveness, you can forgive anything that’s, that’s why it’s so revolutionary, that’s why we call it radical forgiveness, it truly is radical.
To radical forgiveness okay, we have really five, five  major steps that we take, and by the way, with radical forgiveness we always have to use  tools simple tools like worksheets to go through this process because otherwise, the mind gets in the way so these tools help us to stay with our spiritual intelligence and not our mental intelligence okay, otherwise as I said the mind would say this doesn’t work. So these five stages are built into every one of the tools that we create and we’ve got a whole load of them including a game, we’ve even got a game of radical forgiveness so these five stages or steps the first three of which are pretty much the same as traditional forgiveness tell the story is the first one, what happened, tell me what happened, who did what and then second step is to feel the feelings how did you feel when that happened or how do you feel with what’s going on now? because very often when we as I said earlier with radical forgiveness, we’re working with, with what somebody’s, somebody’s issue right now or at least with in-in memory, not with repressed material normally that gets dealt with automatically so tell the story, feel the feelings, and we’re very strong on this idea that we must at least tap into the feeling not to go mad with it, not to have you know, retraumatize people but to at least touch into the feeling because as John Bradshaw said, âyou cannot heal what you don’t feelâ and that’s an important part of the process.Â
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So a lot of people especially spiritual people have a tendency to want to bypass the feelings part of it and that’s we call that a spiritual bypass where people use spiritual  understanding or spiritual knowledge or spiritual concepts to say well, âNo I don’t need to, need, need to feel the feelings that this was meant to be that way so you know, so that’s a form of denial though and it’s  it’s known in the business as a spiritual bypass pass too so I think there’s even a book written on it spiritual bypass so that’s the second phase.Â
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The third one is a little bit more complicated in the sense that it’s when you are in a more reflective frame of mind, more analytical frame of mind, where you look at what happened and you begin to ask yourself some questions, âWhat made the person do that? how can I understand what happened if I put myself in their shoes?â Okay um, were they wounded, were they just acting out something on me and I just happened to be the person that they wanted to use to act out their wound could that be have been in it? was I taking it too personally, maybe it wasn’t even about me it’s about them really.Â
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So we’re looking at it much more reflectively and also bringing what I would call the best of human qualities to the situation compassion, mercy, understanding, tolerance all those human virtues that we’re asked to bring in traditional forgiveness so in that sense it is the same as traditional forgiveness. There is also  with this step a requirement that we look at, how do we interpret this situation? Did we make it all about us and then bring all our own junk into the situation so that we could then blame them and enlarge the story and make it much bigger than it otherwise would be if we just, if we just looked at the facts and so I always ask people at that point, âhow much of this really, of this story is true? And of that which is true, how much is of that is the pain that you’re feeling. Nine times out of 10 if they compare it to the overall story where it’s where they’ve added in all their interpretations, the actual pain of what actually happened is much smaller than what they’re feeling so I always say then that the pain is real, the pain should be felt, the pain should be acknowledged and felt but the other stuff is optional that’s suffering.Â
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Pain is pain, all the interpretations and other stuff is suffering and that’s optional so once people realize that it’s optional then they can make the decision well do I want to hang on to it or not okay, so that’s as far as traditional forgiveness can go. It can’t go any further for one profound reason and the reason is that there is still the assumption that something wrong happened, something bad happened, and that I am the victim of that situation. No matter how much we have try to understand it and bring compassion into it, âI’m still the victim and someone else is responsible for my unhappiness about that situationâ.Â
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So that’s as far as traditional forgiveness can go and um and it takes forever because, on the one hand, we are wanting to forgive but on the other hand we’ve still got this commitment to being a victim, and in the end when the chips are down the need to condemn always wins and so years and years will go by before this balance comes to that and even then it’s usually a matter of simply time. The years go by and people in the end just kind of âLet It Goâ Just .. but that’s not a process. With radical forgiveness, though we go to the next step and this is Step number four and we call it the reframe, it’s where we look at this story and say, âYes it happened, it hurt, in the human, from a human perspective it was not good, shouldn’t happen really, it’s a pity that it did happen but if we look at it from a spiritual standpoint maybe there was a reason why it happened, maybe we actually, brought it into our experience ourselves for a reason.
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Now this is at the soul level now okay, up until the end of step three, we’re talking really human level now we’ve dropped now into the spiritual level where we are become open at least that’s all that’s required and a willingness to become open to the possibility that what happened was exactly what needed to happen and that and that nothing wrong happened. It was meant to be that way, we actually wanted it to be that way at the soul level, our soul wanted it to be that way for whatever reason, maybe for some sort of lesson or a balancing out of some Karma or whatever that is okay but it happened not to us but for us that’s the reframe okay. Now the story doesn’t change the story is the same but the context changes everything we put around the story changes and that’s why we call it a reframe. In the old frame, we would have victim Consciousness, he’s the blame, âI’m hurt, I’m the victim, he’s is the perpetratorâ or whatever when we reframe the story in step number four we said, âOkay, let’s throw away all that, throw away that context and, and look at it from a point of view of, maybe it, it happened that way because it was meant to happen that way, it was all part of our spiritual plan, a divine plan, and that  the person who actually did this to us was actually helping us  get what we wanted at the spiritual level and therefore was quote Healing Angel, a Healing Angel.Â
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We often call those people, they healing angels for us they agreed according to a past life contract may be to come and do that for us, not to us but for us so that’s step number four and that’s the one where the mind will kick in right away and say that’s nonsense, that’s a load of, that’s crazy idea and so that’s why we use these tools to help us stay attached to our spiritual intelligence which knows the truth of who we are, why we here, why things happen the way they do okay, and the reason why people feel instantly better after becoming open to this idea is that our spiritual intelligence is very much aligned with our physical body so as soon as we work with our spiritual intelligence in this way, our feeling tone what’s going on in our body immediately feels better and so the results are instantaneous because the energy attached to all those to that story and many others like it back down the line, back down the timeline that energy is dissipated immediately from the human body and so the result people this is amazing. I’ve carried this burden for years and all of a sudden through using this little worksheet it’s gone, had that happened? And what I say is I don’t know, I have, I have no idea what, how that happens if I was a Quantum physicist probably, I could tell you but I’m not, it’s all to do with energy and yet we don’t have to understand how it works.Â
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We just have to experience it and so in my teachings, I always say you know what I don’t even believe it because I have no belief around it but I know that it works because I see, not only does it work in, in me but I see it work in hundreds and hundreds of people as I go around the world teaching this stuff, it affects people in profound ways and um but there is some proof and the proof of it is that not only does it affect the person doing the forgiving but it affects everybody around them even the situation that is that may have caused this the problem in the first place the upset seems to just disappear dissolve because the upset was all part of a, Â pattern of energetic pattern of energy if you like and when one person changes their energy it the energy of the whole situation, situation gets changed.Â
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Rupert Sheldrake called it the morphogenetic field and Sheldrake came up with this idea  some time ago but it really explains how this works and I use this very much when I’m doing radical forgiveness in corporations because if the corporation sees itself as an energy system then every person in that energy system affects the overall energy system right, so any one person doing radical forgiveness within that, within that field that within that morphogenetic field has an effect on the overall field and everything else changes, it’s, it sort of shuffles around so when people do the forgiveness work, it’s not at all uncommon for them to just do the worksheet on a person that may have done something to them 20 years ago and within 10 minutes the person’s calling them on the phone saying I’m thinking about you and that person can be Australia, it can be anywhere in the world so those kind of things really validate the process and give it a measure of of proof because what are the chances of that happening otherwise you know, there’s it’s so slim.
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So that’s the fourth step and then the final step step number five is where we do something to integrate that new perception into our body, into our overall psyche and when I talk about bodies I’m talking about our five bodies physical, atheric, mental, emotional, and spiritual so we, when we do this work, we’re working at all five levels  of our bodies and so the integration  happens through doing something physical and in the case of using our tools, we’re just writing on piece of paper doing our forgiveness worksheet or whatever it is or playing the game or walking across the circle when we do a radic schol forgiveness ceremony something like that, that integrates the new story and eradicates the old story so the victim story gets to be purged and the new story of everything happens for a reason and there is nothing to forgive by the way, that gets integrated into all five bodies as and that’s the process, that’s how it works.
We mentioned it, earlier on that , the idea that we are spiritual beings having a human experience I say it a little differently that is to say once we’ve awakened then we’re spiritual beings having a spiritual experience in a human body because now we’re awake. Some people awake very late in life, some people awaken very early in life and I think the, is becoming earlier and earlier. The children are awakening much earlier than they did before right? and some of the some of the kids out there now are really I don’t think ever forgot who they are, they’ve come in almost fully awakened because they certainly get this stuff more quickly than than my generation did. But anyway to answer your question yes we we do have to look at the dragons as you call them um it’s our shadow, all those things that that are in our shadow that we don’t like to look at, and  and the way we avoid doing that normally is to, is to repress them, is to use  drugs or alcohol, sex or any other addiction to medicate them to avoid  dealing with them so I think that’s the main cause of addiction um I think depression is just  covering up our rage about something that happened that we won’t want to look at.Â
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So there’s a whole lot of stuff in what, what Carl Jung called âThe Shadowâ and that’s the, the dragons I think you’re referring to that we don’t want to look at. When we do the radical forgiveness work, yes we look at those but we deal with them in a way that’s going around them a little bit to start with because those dragons especially when we begin our awakening process which up to now has been usually around halfway in our life but I think as I said it’s starting to move down. so when we begin the process of awakening which is to say remembering who we are and why we’re here and the purpose to which the dragons were put in helping us to experience what we came into experience in every any form of Separation that we could find then we realized that that’s what they are.Â
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These dragons have been helping us to experience what it was that we came into experience as human as spiritual beings having a human experience right? And those dragons will every now, and again pop up in a different form. We have within ourselves an automatic healing response, we have an automatic urge to heal that stuff, and at certain points in our life, it will create an opportunity, which is very much like the dragon for us to work with in that moment if we recognize what that is, that that’s an opportunity and we do a worksheet on it, not only does it dissipate the energy around that particular situation but it heals everything that’s that before it all the dragons the dragon that was down there in the first place is healed automatically too.Â
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So let me give you an example, let’s say that as a  as a child we were abandoned at age five shall we say, and out of that abandonment we, we were so wounded that we felt that we were unlovable or we, we, weren’t worthy, we didn’t deserve to be nurtured, and so on so we’re now pretty wounded right? Well, at age five that, that energy is very strong, too strong for anybody of age five to deal with so what do they do with it? They push it down right, they, they just reject  repress it and it’s there but it’s there as an energy pattern which goes on through the timeline year after year after year, and every now and again that energy pattern will throw up another abandonment and then another and then another and each one of those is an opportunity to heal the previous ones but we don’t normally recognize it as such right?Â
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Until we get a big one and sometimes that could be cancer or something pretty serious and then we, then we maybe start asking a question but with radical forgiveness we can get ahead of the game on that you see because what we can say is, once we have, once we wake up to this and once we realize that this spiritual reality is, is the real one, not this one that when something some little abandonment might happen, it’s an opportunity to heal everything back all the way, down the timeline to spike the dragon, to kill the dragon okay. So let’s give the example that’s the one I often give in the workshop, that you make an appointment with someone to have lunch with you, you know good friend at a certain time, certain date so you go to the restaurant expecting your friend to turn up and you get a glass of wine and you know just tell the waiter, âI’m waiting for a friendâ and you wait, and you wait, and you wait, and nobody turns up and you get disproportionately upset about that. What that is doing though is your, your inner urge, your inner healer is saying âOkay, I’m giving you an opportunity to relive an abandonment energy that represents the previous oneâ but it’s only a small one but you’re having it, you’re having this disproportionate reaction to it.Â
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You go home, you get mad why didn’t they come out, I’m never going to go over again  you know blah blah blah blah blah you get really mad about it. If you recognize that and say to yourself, âWow! if I’m getting that upset about it that must mean that it’s resonating something deep in me so if I do a worksheet on this person who didn’t turn up for lunch, I’m going to heal everything back along my timeline that’s related to abandonmentâ and what we find in the workshops is that um I would say 80% of people you should say put up your hand if you’ve ever, if you recognize that you have a certain pattern either of abandonment or betrayal or rejection or  being left and then everybody puts up a hand, oh! yeah, yeah, I have this pattern. Well, that’s your higher self or your inner healer giving you an opportunity to see what your dragon is and to heal your dragon okay, without even having to know what it is even better because then we don’t have to go back and you know, fight the dragon itself we’ve already neutralized it so to speak. okay! and so when we do, when we get to the point of becoming awakened which as I say is recognizing who we really are as opposed to the ego we think we are, we still have to go back and clean that stuff out though so our dragons are still there likely but now we know that our dragons were our healers or our um our helpers and the experiences that we wanted because. because we’ve now realized that there were, there was nothing wrong happening there even though we thought there was at the time.Â
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We now have to go back and deal with each one of those, clean them out so that we can now going forward have our emotional closet completely emptied and that we can deal with life now with all our energy whereas before it was invested in the past now we’ve got all that energy in, in present time so we can be a, Â we can be a powerful human being, we can heal ourselves, we can um create what we want in our life, we can do radical manifestation which is a part of radical forgiveness really because once we’ve got our energy into present time, now we’re now we got the energy to create the future consciously. We’ve been doing it unconsciously but now we can do it consciously create the life we want so we go back and retrieve all that energy, let go of all the stories because we know that they were perfect the way they were, nothing wrong ever happened. It was all perfect everything that’s ever happened to me in the past, everything that is happening to me now, and everything that will happen to me in the future is perfect just the way it is, nothing wrong is ever happening.
Why do we even do this? What, why do we incarnate, what’s the, what’s the purpose? So what I make up about that is when we were in the spiritual realm as souls we’re in a complete state of oneness, there’s no, no separation okay! but in order to know oneness we have to find a way to experience the opposite of it in order to make sense of what oneness really means right? So I think that we ask God or whomever our angel of incarnation, whoever it is. Let me go somewhere where I can really experience separation then I will know what this world is all about. I’ll know what oneness really is and your angel of incarnation says âOkay, well we have a wonderful place for you can go it’s, it’s called planet âEarthâ and I’ve got all my angels down there working away creating all sorts of opportunities for you to experience separation, would you want to go there?â Well, yeah that sounds like a good idea when they say âWell, it looks like a lot of fun from up hereâ but when you get down there guess what, it’s going to feel, it’s going to feel very different because there’s a, there’s a, there’s a, Â there’s an agreement that you have to make before you go.Â
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Oh! what’s that agreement, you have to forget about this world, you have to Incarnate when you incarnate you forget this world completely because otherwise you wouldn’t play the game of separation that you are signing up for right now. You would say âNo, don’t give me rejection or don’t give me sexual abuse or don’t give me you know  a genocide let meâ you know, no you’re if you want, if you want to really experience yourself as a separate being and to experience separation then you sign up for whatever you think is what you want and you can look at back at your past lives and say well I did this, this, and this in my past life maybe I should do this, this, and this and this life it’s a story I make up right? But it does seem that we have this agreement to suffer from what I call âSpiritual Amnesiaâ that we forget all about the other world and that when we incarnate then this becomes real, this becomes the real world and we are close to, to the spiritual reality that we’ve just left until such time, as we have experienced the things that we signed up to experience that we wanted to experience for whatever reason like as I said earlier karmic , karmic balance or whatever it is.Â
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Once we begin the awakening process then our mind expands and then that’s when we become open to this other reality, the true reality of why we’re here, and what this journey is all about, and what these experiences that we’ve been having in our life have been all about that up to now we have thought of as undesirable but now we realize we’re totally purposeful and not wrong in any way at all. Once we have awakened then everything looks different and that’s when I say we have to go back and clean out our dragons that’s what I was talking about earlier on um so we have to understand how we have used projection to create these opportunities for healing and how our ego has created opportunities for us to have experiences that we wanted to have and so on okay, so now, now we’re in what we call the âPost Awakeningâ period and as I said earlier on people are awake, are waking up earlier and earlier now um in the last, let’s say 20 years or so people were awakening around about 4550, it’s slowly moving down and I think the young people are really getting it, they’re waking up much much earlier than our generation and in many cases have not actually forgotten.Â
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There was the um indigo children and the crystal children who it is said  never did forget and that’s the generations  the the indigo children came in about  40-50 years ago something like that and they found it very hard to adjust to, to this human experience because they just said this is a load you know, this is not real but they, they couldn’t adj just so a lot of them got drugged up with riddlin and stuff like that to calm them down and stop them being awake and then a new generation came in about 20 years ago I think who called the crystal children and they were much more able to adjust to this reality and to and to work but, but they’re the ones that are teaching everybody else tells that this old reality doesn’t work anymore that , that there is a wholly different way of relating to each other where cooperation is replacing competition, where we’re taking care of other people with being of service to other people, we are making a difference in the world, we’re thinking of each other as  as ourselves if I hurt you I hurt me and so on.Â
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So that’s a holy new especially in America anyway which has been very committed to the idea that we’re all individuals and we do we, we serve our self-interest all the time um so the young people are really getting it that  waking up earlier now once we’ve woken up then we can start living our life according to these principles where , where we use the idea of radical forgiveness in every circumstance of our lives because life still is as we’re human beings life will still keep giving us opportunities to learn right? Life still continues things happen, the question is now do we deal with them in the same old way of blaming somebody else and um not taking responsibility for anything? Or do we say okay, this is happening, I’m going to take myself through the five stages feeling, what is the story, feeling the feelings, collapsing the story, reframing this story, and integrating it and that can happen in a few minutes. We have a four-step process that you can do that will make that happen for you in minutes. it’s let me tell you what that is, that four-step process is very simple, you say to yourself âWow! look what happenedâ I mean âLook what I created rather, look what I createdâ Wow!Â
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So which is to take responsibility for having created that circumstance for a reason okay? Second step, I notice my judgments and my feelings but I love myself anyway which is to recognize our humanness in this situation we’re going to have feelings, we’re going to be angry, we’re going to be upset but I’m a human being still in this world so yeah of course! I’m going to be but I love myself anyway okay? so that’s a second step very important step. Third step though is where we do the radical forgiveness and it said I am willing to see the perfection in this situation and you’re probably going to say it through clenched teeth âAh! God damn it, I’m willing to see the perfection in this situationâ okay? Because you don’t really believe it, your mind doesn’t believe it but you say it anyway and then the fourth step is I choose peace and you know what things change immediately so you might repeat it two or three times, âLook what I created, I notice my judgments and feelings and trust myself anyway, I love myself anyway, I’m willing to see the perfection in this situation and I choose peaceâ something happens energetically something happens so that’s how we begin to live life after we have woken up and realized that there’s a different way of being, a different way of relating to each other because all our relationships change after, once we’ve awakened whereas before it was all part of the game to use each other to create separation that’s why a lot of relationships in the first half of, of life tend to be problematic but that’s, that’s what therefore, relationships are not designed for happiness, they’re designed for healing right?Â
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But after the awakening when we don’t need to do that any longer, we don’t need to play that game any longer and now we’re in much more what we call the âRadical Livingâ  phase of our life âRadical Relationshipsâ are where we now we become much more  committed to respecting the other person,  just being  giving them total freedom so whereas before in relationships it was all about controlling the other expecting them to be different or expecting them to be the way we wanted them to be a lot of time, it was all about exploitation and that kind of things now when we in, after we have awakened and realized that this we don’t have to do that anymore then our relationships can be based on freedom and respect for the other person and just accepting the way they are exactly the way they are so, so that’s how it, that’s how it looks once we’ve gone through this awakening phase which can take years of course it’s not like it happens in weeks. We maybe read a book, maybe you know, the radical forgiveness book was the thing that woke them up.Â
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A lot of people can’t tell you how many people will say to me you know what that book fell off the shelf in the bookstore in front of me they say that and I believe them because somehow these, where all of us need some sort of what I call a âSatori Eventâ to wake us up, to bring us to a place of saying wow what is life all about you know, what, I’ve got all this money, I’ve got my car, I’ve got my house, I’ve got everything I need but somehow it’s not enough, what and that’s usually when a book will fall off the shelf in front of you or you’ll meet with somebody or you’ll have an experience which is a wakeup call and that’s the beginning of the awakening.
Well, separation means it, that the world is a bipolar world or a binary system everything is either light and dark or good and bad, and so on. You know, that life, life is our system or our environment is a binary I’m not answering that well, okay well. with separation, the first separation of course is that we have bodies that are separate from each other so that’s the first way in which we said okay! when we signed up to experience separation in this human world, we lowered our vibration enough to create a body so that’s the first bit of separation that we had but this is a world of separation, everything is either this or that, light and dark. it’s a binary world, bipolar world so everything is separated so our whole experience is separation.Â
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But in terms of what we came to experience, we came to experience it as an emotional form of separation because as spiritual beings without a body, we didn’t have feelings we, we couldn’t experience it as an emotional feeling because  with the definition of an emotion is a thought attached to a feeling so if you don’t have a body then you can’t feel it so then it becomes just thought-form so love in that sense can be thought of as just a thought until we have a body in order to be able to feel it and so we come here to experience love and everything unlike love and both are
necessary. You see so that’s why we, that’s why we want to have separation because we want to experience life or we want to experience love as a feeling and to experience everything unlike love as a feeling.
Well, that’s the trap you see that we, that we’re living in. The trap that we choose to live in shall I put it that way, that in separating ourselves by having a body then it makes it very difficult for us to connect with others heart to heart very difficult indeed because we’ve created all manner of separation circumstances to prevent that so we’re always looking for love outside of ourselves because it’s over there. If I can, if I want you to love me and I only can feel love if I’m loving you so it’s, it’s very difficult for us to experience love as just pure, pure love within and that’s really what we’re searching for all the time I think, is to be able to connect with that love within ourselves and that’s the hard part because we’re so used looking at, looking for it out there and in this world this three-dimensional world that we live in. In this world because of the way it’s constructed, love is always conditional. I don’t think that we can, that we can ever experience love in its true form which is unconditional love.Â
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The nearest we get I think to unconditional love is a mother for her offspring that’s the nearest but even then it’s conditional upon certain things happening, certain expectations that we have. So love as we, as we experience it on this earth plane is always conditioned upon the idea âI love you the way you are but if you change then my love will be less than it was before.â It’s very very very hard for us to accept people exactly as they are without judgment or without some expectation  that they either stay the same as they are or that they need to change in-order-for me to really love you okay? So a lot of people get married on the assumption that yeah,  she’s, he’s not okay but if I love him enough he’ll change that’s a woman thing to be sexist okay? A lot of women will, will always  admit to that but when they saw the man that they wanted to marry they said, âYeah he’s not, he’s not perfect but if I love him enough he’ll change and then he’ll be what I want him to beâ so our love is always conditional I think on this planet, I think that’s why we love pets so much or at least dogs because dogs give us unconditional love in a way that human beings don’t so, but that’s an aside. Conditional love is  or it’s very difficult for us to, to be unconditionally loving I guess that, I’ll leave it at that.
Projection, projection is a  it’s actually, a psychological concept. it’s not necessarily a spiritual one although it features very heavily in causing miracles as you know, um but it’s actually a defense mechanism. It’s a way for us to avoid facing our own self-hatred and this goes back to what we were talking about earlier with the shadow and our dragons. If we have a particular dragon let’s say, it’s that part of us that is um mean and nasty shall we say right? We push that into our shadow and deny that it’s there, hide it okay become totally unconscious but I talked earlier on about the idea that we have this inner healer. Well, if we are going to awaken we have to bring some of this stuff up for healing.Â
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We can’t be, we can’t be separated within because we talked about separation earlier on well, there’s no, we separate even within ourselves, we separate from the, what I call the cool part of us and the uncool which is the shadow so we’re separated within so when we, when we go through our awakening process that we need to integrate those two parts of us in-order-to become whole because we can’t talk about being awakened if we’re split so we have to bring ourselves together. But there’s a great resistance to that, and as soon as these demons or dragons start to come up it creates a lot of angst in us and a lot of fear that we might be acquainted with this part of ourselves that we really hate and let alone anybody else should  see it so the best way to get rid of it is to project it onto someone else and by doing that we then, we actually manufacture a person we attract someone into our life that has a lot of this quality in them, I mean a nasty person okay? Oftentimes, this can be a politician who is acting in a way that is crash and undesirable and you know everybody hates it.Â
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But nevertheless, it’s an opportunity for us to then project that part of us onto that person and then blame them for being the way they are. Then we can judge them and say you are a terrible person and I’m so self-righteous about this now blah blah blah so that’s the projection mechanism and we do it all the time it’s, it’s everybody does it and we use  television to project onto characters and all sorts of things
our judgments on onto them but putting it now back into the spiritual context we use the mechanism of projection to recognize that what we’re judging in another person is exactly what we’re denying and rejecting in ourselves and so this is an opportunity to forgive ourselves actually. So we forgive the person and in doing so we forgive ourselves and we accept and love that part of ourselves that’s mean and nasty because it might only be that little tiny piece that’s mean and nasty but we’ve been shamed into thinking that we were that and that’s who we are. So we’ve attracted this person who is very mean and nasty in order, in order for us to get so agitated that we first of all project onto them and say, âYou’re what a horrible personâ and then as a spiritual awaken person we say, âbut wait a minute, what I’m recognizing in this other person is my own self-hatred that part of me which I have denied, repressed, and projected onto himâ and that’s a big part of one of our worksheets we, that’s a thing we have to do in a worksheet.Â
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My wife and I mirror stuff for us all the time. We all criticize each other and say, âYou know what we’re both looking in the mirrorâ you know, and realize it. You see that’s the thing, everybody does it but most people do it without realizing that they’re seeing themselves in the mirror. We have a saying, âIf you spot it you got itâ right? if you spot it you got it and the more upset you are with the person that you’re upset about the more it’s yours and the bigger the opportunity to heal something within you and forgive something within you so the more we use this mechanism  the more self-loving we become or self-accepting shall I say which I believe actually, is the one of the definitions of love as we, as we defined it is unconditional acceptance of what is and so um it’s a very powerful extremely useful mechanism for self-forgiveness and self-love and self-acceptance but not many people use it because they don’t like to hear that they’re projecting or that they’re seeing themselves in the mirror whenever they  see someone that they don’t like, they don’t like that. Â
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Thereâs the one part of my workshop where people kind of get upset about that whole idea they say, âWell, I’m not thatâ and that they may not be in a direct way but it could be but symbolically they are because if it upset them in any way at all it’s theirs. So we have to, we have to really help people work around this whole idea of seeing whatever is out there, is a mirror of their own, self-hatred and it’s an opportunity to heal that self-hatred once and for all. Yeah, so the idea of switching it from you are bad to I am bad is-is a good mechanism, or at least it makes you look at  at your judgment because every time you judge someone else it’s really, a judgment of yourself.
Willingness is the number one thing. In with radical forgiveness, I always say, âIt’s a fake it till you make it propositionâ because it’s not something that you either can prove or that you know that it’s really true um you just have to accept that it’s a possibility okay so when we do these statements like that four, the four step that I mentioned to you earlier on look what I created I Â I recognize that my feelings are my judgments and love myself anyway, I’m willing to, I’m willing to see the perfection in the situation, willing is the key word there, willing to be willing to be willing is enough just to be open to the possibility because your mind does not believe it who in their right mind from a human standpoint would say that sexual abuse is perfect who would? or anything that you care to mention who would say it from a human standpoint of that nature anyway nobody because when our consciousness is not yet refined enough in any any sort of spiritual dimension, to be able to say that that is perfect none of us have got it.Â
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There may be five people on the planet probably that could actually say they know that for an absolute certainty but what we, what we have found over 20 years of doing this if you just be willing to accept it as a possibility even if it’s a distinct possibility it’s enough, it’s enough and that, and that if people express it in terms of willingness and faking it on paper on using the worksheets it works and that’s the only test for me, does it work and  we found over 20 years it does and for as long as it’s working I’m going to keep on doing it.
Thatâs right, the world or the reality is the classroom that we’ve chosen to go into. Life is the curriculum which we’ve created for ourselves as well so we’ve chosen a bit of this and a bit of that and a bit of that and a bit of this so life is the curriculum and yeah, and everybody we meet is a teacher and that’s exactly  what it is but we during the spiritual amnesia phase we don’t get that you see, we in-fact, we don’t realize that that’s how it’s set up for us because otherwise, we wouldn’t go to that school, we say, âNo thanks I’ll take something elseâ okay. so, we chose that, here’s a little joke story that I usually like to tell okay, and this is about a soul who was choosing to come in and discussing with his soul group what he was going to do and he said âYou know what um in my last lifetime, I was very rich, I had everything I wanted and I wasn’t very generous with it, I was very selfish with it so I think, I should go in for a very short lifetime this time and have nothing and experience what it would be like to have nothing as a way to balance my karmaâ and they said. âOkay! well, as it happens there’s um there’s this country in the middle of Africa where everybody’s starving and all the children are dying and so on how about that?â He said âYeah, that’s a perfect situation, I’ll go in thereâ and he said  âI’ll basically starve to death in 3 months because I’ll have nothing, and by the end of three months, I  I’ll know what it’s like to have nothingâ so they said actually three years let’s say three years, okay I’m going to go in for three years so he goes in and the soul group is waiting for him and 3 years comes around and they said ( Fred was his name okay), âFred said he was coming back and he hasn’t come back yet, he was only going to be 3 years, where is he?â So they were waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. 17 years went by okay? And all of a sudden up pops Fred, in the middle of the soul group and they all said âWhere the heck have you been you were only supposed to go in for three yearsâ he said, âI know but those damn missionaries kept feeding me.â
He’s not somebody that or it is not somebody that sits up there and creates circumstances, help some people, help. doesn’t help others and so on, it’s just a nonsense idea but I do believe, and radical forgiveness does depend on it that there is a higher power that is much greater than our collective ego or individual ego come to that, that is working with us to take us through this curriculum. It’s like we have this if you go to a university, you go to the school and you have a curriculum and you have teachers and so on but you also have a counselor or a mentor that’s helping you to take you through all these avenues and help you make choices between this or that, that’s what I think this higher power is doing because, and the higher power is really, part of us. I don’t think of it as something outside of me or you but it’s, but it’s something that we all share.Â
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Carl Jung referred to it as the collective unconscious that we’re all part of this collective unconscious. Now if that, if that’s what we’re talking about here maybe so. I think he was, he, I don’t know that he would call that the same thing as God or this higher power I don’t know but that’s how I think of it a universal intelligence. There is all good, there is nothing in it that’s of an evil character. That is helping us to make the journeys that we want to make as souls. In order to evolve. I think we’re evolve, even as souls we are evolving all the time, not just individuals’ egos evolving. I think we as a soul, Â we are evolving, taking lessons, doing things to help us to grow and learn and become more to become, if we’re angels maybe to become archangels, who knows I don’t know but I have no concept of a God who makes decisions on our behalf choosing this or choosing that, No, I just don’t buy that.
I think Enlightenment is just waking up, realizing that this reality is an illusion basically that this, it’s an illusion of mind most of it, Â and that
and that we become aware of and tuned into the spiritual realm that’s
enlightenment in my view and that’s available to anybody. I’m not talking about the kind of enlightenment that very few people attain like Buddha and Jesus and other the avatars of that, of that level, maybe that’s a different level of enlightenment way beyond what we can have but we can certainly become enlightened to the point where this reality is-is not the reality that there is another one, there is another reality out there which is just another vibration, it’s not another place it’s just another vibratory rate that we would live in if we would if we were to access it and it’s referred to as the fifth dimension, this is the third dimension three-dimensional reality, time, space and what’s the other one, time, space, and that’s this three-dimensional reality that we live in right here. It’s the only one we know, the only one we experience.
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We experience ourselves as form and space in time, that’s how we experience ourselves but there’s this other reality known as the fifth and sixth dimension where there is no form in space in the same sense, it’s a different dimension altogether which begs the question what is the fourth? Well, in my opinion, the fourth is where we go, when we become awakened or enlightened as with radical forgiveness if we really get radical forgiveness as a philosophy as a way of living that I think is the fourth dimension is where we’re practicing being in the fifth.
Peace can only reside within and that’s when we are accepting totally everything the way it is as is and needing nothing to change that’s the definition of peace. Yeah, because when you’re enlightened there is no past or future, there is only now okay, and um when you are an awakened human being to the extent that I’m talking about which is an ordinary human state to be in for most people. I don’t like the idea that enlightenment is only for a very few people, we all can be enlightened if only we’d open our eyes and realize that this is not, this is not it but then peace will come because when we are enlightened what we see around us is everything that’s perfect the way it is and that we don’t need anything to change in-order-for us to feel peaceful about it and the irony of that situation is that when we get to that point of accepting everything just the way it is then it is free to change and it does change.Â
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All those things by wanting something to change, we resist it changing what you resist persists you know that one and so peace can only come when we are willing to accept things the way they are exactly the way they are knowing that there is a that, there is a divine purpose for them being that way that’s the only way we ever find peace and it comes from within because whatever we see out there is okay the way it is doesn’t mean to say that as a human being though that we won’t go ahead and try to change it. That’s when, when we’re doing this when we’re in this fourth-dimensional sort of mindset, we’re actually, bipolar [Laughing] because we’re seeing the world it is from a human standpoint like looking through a lens of the world and it looks pretty bad but then if we look at the world through this lens this spiritual lens that’s when we see it perfect the way it is okay and that’s where peace resides. So while we’re here in the third dimension, we’re living in both or in the fourth dimension.Â
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Shall we say where we’ve awoken, we’ve awakened, we’ve woken up then we trying to bring these two worlds together but they’re still separate in a way but, but we’re practicing I have what we call a radical forgiveness bridge where we got the third dimension here where the main vibration is fear and greed and war and aggression which is the world we live in now and then there’s this other dimension the fifth which is based on love, harmony, peace, acceptance, and love okay? We’re not there yet we’re trying hard to bring them together but the radical forgiveness work creates a bridge where we can practice being in this fifth dimension, not all the time because we just can’t be but at least it gives us a bridge between these two worlds that’s the fourth dimension but peace can only come when we can accept everything the way it is as is.Â
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Fear, that’s the definition of love actually, love is the acceptance of what is as is, fear is the resistance to what is as is right. It’s there for everyone to open their eyes to if they want to um except as I said earlier you know, we have chosen to have this period of spiritual amnesia in order to go through the curriculum that we chose but once we’ve done it and got our little diploma or whatever you call it, when we awaken then we are free to open our eyes and see the world as it really is beneath the surface of what we see now.
It’s very often, is the breakdown experience that causes the breakthrough so if we look at the first phase of our life when we’re doing this spiritual Amnesia and getting our experiences through the curriculum of Separation so to speak when we get to that close to that point where we’ve done what we said that we wanted to do and we want to wake up we will often create a breakdown experience go rock bottom um and that can be anything, it can be  you know bankruptcy, it can be a divorce, it can be um you know any sort of trauma where all of a sudden it causes you to question what is this? what is this about? What is my life about? um and that’s, that’s often what you call the rock bottom what I call the breakdown experience that is the healing crisis is the equivalent of a healing crisis you know how that works? With a healing crisis if you, if you’re very sick and you have an infection  it will get to a point where you almost you’re in fever and you’re almost dead but it’s the fever that’s taking you through this healing crisis. It has to happen for the body to heal itself so it has to go through a crisis. Well, it’s the same thing I think with our own consciousness that we need a crisis in order to wake ourselves up.
The ultimate Boon is when the seeker discovers what they are looking for. Usually, we don’t know until we find it. The great scientist discovers something new, an artist finds a way to tell a story or make a picture. The uh person in service finds a way to help that didn’t exist before, they, a new angle and then we see it and we realize âI’ve got something here that’s usefulâ and we can develop it and there is this moment of discovery. It’s exciting, it’s thrilling and we might have one or two friends. They are also on the journey and can kind of understand how important it is. Most people will say âYeah so whatâ.
Don’t expect too much social support, this is an unusual choice to take this intense inner journey. There are a few friends that will understand but choose who you share with so that you respect the process while it is fragile. Later you can tell everyone. Count on much finger-wagging when you make these choices. These people mean well, they care about you they don’t want to lose you and they know this thing that you’re getting interested in is beyond their grasp that you’re going off into a world that they don’t understand and they don’t see a practical value for. Well, they might be right about the practical value part may not lead to a good-paying job but it will be the thing that makes life worthwhile and if you have a deep sense of fulfillment in life you can also make some money and do the practical life. The practical life is not the hard part. Studying the mysteries is the hard part.
The abyss, the night sea journey, the dark knight of the soul is when things fall apart. When we feel like we’ve lost our way. Well, we are off the path in terms of the familiar path, in terms of the known path but we’re all on our way and as the familiar landmarks fall away, we begin to make discoveries. You can’t learn without getting away from what you already know. So the abyss is the gateway to a treasure house. It just doesn’t feel like it yet.
What is the ego? Well, its many definitions of it you know, psychologically it means our sense of who we are  my identity is my ego. Spiritually speaking I think the  some people will say the ego is that which wants us to stay asleep that keeps us asleep  in-order-for it to survive it itself, we have to stay asleep so in a sense it’s working against
- I don’t buy that one, to be honest, I don’t like that definition , or even the one in the course of miracles which is somewhat similar to that but a little bit more sophisticated but it’s all about um the ego. The ego is the belief that we’re separate and the guilt associated with having separated from God that that that we separated from God and that was the original sin and the ego is tied up with all that okay.Â
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The way I see it is somewhat different and it goes back to what I was saying earlier on about us having chosen to come here as a to have an experience, to have to do a soul’s
journey, and that we needed a couple of guides and one of those guides was the ego. The ego is the one that will set us up for all of these apparent bad experiences and take us  and take us in directions that we wouldn’t ordinarily go. I mean I, when I look back at my life I’ve made some terrible decisions or what looked like terrible decisions but when I look at it more deeply I realize that that’s what I was guided to do because the outcome was much more desirable than I would have ever would have imagined at the time so everything, everything happens for a reason so they say so the ego is is the person, is the entity within ourselves that is taking us through the labyrinth of the curriculum helping us make choices, bad choices whatever..
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Because I think it was Yogi Barren said, âyou know, when you when you meet a fork in the road take it doesn’t matter which one you go just take oneâ and that’s what the ego does it presents these Forks in the road we can either go that way or we can either go that way it doesn’t matter because it will all adjust in order to give us the experience that we want so um, so the other guide is our high what I call our higher self so which is I think just another aspect of the ego or it’s another aspect of our soul put it that way our soul splits off into the ego and to the higher self put it that way and that these two guides are taking us along this road and that  the ego is in charge pretty much of the first phase where we’re doing all the the separation game and the higher self then comes along and says, âOkay, you’ve done enough of that curriculum, we’re going to show you what’s real now, we’re going to take you on a different path, a path of quote enlightenment where you get to see what’s real instead of what’s an Illusion.Â
Um, that’s where our higher self I think, comes in and helps us but you know it goes back to the question about whether we have free will because a lot of people will argue that this is against the free will idea that everything is fate and it’s all predetermined. It’s not that at all because we have free will to take any road we want to take and so when you reach the fork in the road you take whichever fork you take and it doesn’t matter which one you take because it will all work out beautifully in the end. I always say, you know, the God has this great computer in the sky you know and it’s , if you hit that path well then everything will change and it will direct you in a certain way and then come back but in the end it’s all to your highest good no matter which way you go it’s all to your highest good but you are free to make decisions and to go whichever way you want to go and it might take you more lifetimes to do it a certain way, you might have to you do your life over several times because there is no right and wrong whatever is, is the way it is and it’s that’s the how it’s meant to be as soon as we judge it then we, then we’re stuck so  so it’s, I don’t quite agree with what you said there about we must be in either one or the other, we need to be in both at the same time because this is the life we’re living.Â
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We need to be we need to know what to do without taking the garbage out we need to know what to do if we see a child being abused we’re going to stop that abuser, abusing the child right? but on the other hand, we know that there is a reason why this is happening that the spirit, the soul of the child, and the soul of the abuser In cahoots and creating circumstances which both want and we’re talking about souls here not human beings okay and the radical forgiveness is way to bridge those two realities and to be in both realities at the same time is which I think is the trick of enlightenment then we don’t have to beat ourselves up for saying well, I can’t be in this world all the time, I can’t be totally spiritual all the time, it’s not possible at this point in our evolution.
Guilt is remorse over what we think we have done wrong or something that we behaved in a certain way that we shouldn’t have. So it’s a human emotion and it’s good because it gives us, guilt gives us a way to anticipate  whether we are on the right path or not in behavior. It’s not the same as shame, shame is a little different. shame is remorse over who we think we are now that’s different. Guilt is about our behavior, guilt is about what we have done that we shouldn’t have or what we didn’t do but should have that’s my definition of guilt okay? Shame is remorse over who we think we are. I am a bad person because of what I did. See the two things are related but shame is very much personal of what, who I think I am. Guilt is about what I have done, about which I feel shame.
Self-forgiveness is accepting ourselves the way we are and recognizing that we’ve done nothing wrong, we’ve committed crimes, misdemeanors in human terms of course we have but in spiritual terms, we did what we had to do. See, without in order to play a victim game which is the game we come in to play we have to have perpetrators. We can’t be victims without perpetrators so the, we play this game of serving each other by doing what apparently in human terms is a crime against another person for which we are punished deservedly in human terms but given an accolade in spiritual terms. There’s a simple reason why self-forgiveness is harder. When I am forgiving you there’s a subject and object. I’m the forgiver you’re the forgiven so there’s a logical relationship between you and I and so that’s easy to understand okay?Â
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Then we understand too with human relationships we understand the mechanisms of projection and all the other things so we make excuses and you know we find ways to make it okay for you, okay and so come to forgiveness, this is traditional forgiveness. Now when we forgive ourselves it raises the question âWho’s forgiving who?â because now I am the forgiver and the forgiven that’s not logical we don’t have subject and object anymore. We’re subject and object in the same situation so it’s very difficult to even make sense of it. Added to the fact that the concept of self is not one concept, we are a whole community of s in here got all sorts of archetypes that are all playing their tune inside our heads at any particular time the inner parent, the inner fool, the inner professor, the inner child, the wounded inner child, the  the  judge, the critical parent you name it. We’ve got all sorts of people in here all of them vying for attention so who we, to whom are we appealing for self-forgiveness, which of those archetypes?Â
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Well, the ones that come up first whenever we say please I want to forgive me the one that you’re trying to appeal to or the one that shouts the loudest is youâre in a judge which will always say, âGuess what no you’re a bad personâ okay so that’s the problem with self-forgiveness is that our inner judge is all powerful and is backed up by the critical parent archetype too which will always say there you go see I always told you you were no good so that’s the big problem with radicals, with self forgiveness, traditional self forgiveness and that’s why it’s so hard because our inner judge has been taught always to say no and to deny you forgiveness so what do we do with radical forgiveness? We leave the subconscious mind alone and the ego go around it. We do a spiritual intelligence bypass and we go straight to the higher self, the inner judge is it’s that part of us that has, that we’ve created, as part of our awareness that’s always telling us that things are not okay. It’s part of the archetype of the self and we, as I say we’ve got loads of them in there, When we make our appeal to the higher self, the higher self will always say âyesâ because it knows that nothing wrong has ever happened.Â
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So there’s nothing to be forgiven for so boom it’s done, it’s done just like that so we need, but we need a worksheet to do it because that’s the tool we use to activate our spiritual intelligence that will take us there. We try to do it in our minds. âNo goodâ so we bypass the mind altogether, we do the same thing when we do radical manifestation bypass the mind altogether, don’t try to alter the subconscious, It’s very difficult to alter the subconscious mind. Yeah, any of these inner judge judgments that we make that become a belief system that’s the problem that we were shamed into thinking that we were bad.Â
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And then it becomes a part of our psyche. It’s deep there in the subconscious mind so then when we ask for self-forgiveness for something that’s like that. Then it will kick that out and say yeah you can’t have that, you’re a bad person you know blah, blah, blah. So it’ll always say no so you just have to recognize that inner judge is part of your ego if you like and  it may well be right at some level but at the spiritual level, it’s not because there’s nothing to judge because nothing wrong ever happened so there’s no reason to even ask for forgiveness in those terms.
Judgment is  is recognizing that itâs something needs to be different to the way it is period I mean what else could you say um and that’s the problem you know, soon as we make a judgment we’re saying something is wrong, something is not how it should be so then we’re immediately into the need to blame or the need to project or the need to change something um I read a small book many years ago by um  somebody Porter  anyway  it was called âConversations with JCâ it was a channeled book, it was long before of course the miracles came out or it was and certainly before no that’s not true. It was before conversations with God came out with Neil Donna Walsh and there was a bit that I always remembered it was this woman having a Grady Porter was her name, Grady Porter was her name and she was having this conversation with Jesus and Jesus said anytime that you feel the need to change anything you’re out of alignment with spirit period That’s judgment anytime you feel the need to change anything you’re out of alignment with spirit and what she was saying there is in a way, this is another way how I put it God does not make mistakes who the hell are you to say it should be any different to the way it is [Laughing] that’s judgment.
Well, perception is one of those really interesting areas,  of human awareness because we rely so much on our five senses in fact, we call this the five sensory reality didn’t say that well, we call this our five sensory reality. It’s what we see, it’s what we feel, it’s what we touch so our perception tells us that this is real but in truth however it is not what it appears because it’s really is 99% space and to explain that I guess you’d have to look at it from an atomic point of view that if you take any  atom if you take an atom, the proton in the middle or whatever it is in the middle and then the electron spinning on the outside is what creates matter
okay? Well, the amount of space between the proton in the middle and the electron spinning is enormous relativity in relative terms and it was described to me as if you had a, Â like a small football, soccer ball in the
middle of a stadium then that’s the kind of relationship of the electron to the
proton that the electron would be spinning around the outside of a big stadium and we’ve got this little ball in the middle that’s the relationship between the proton and the electron, the rest is just space okay?Â
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So all of this is made up of atoms if that electron stops spinning this world would disappear in an instant because there’s nothing else holding it together so in that sense it isn’t real anyway. It’s just how we perceive these electrons spinning as they spin in various forms as form in space and we perceive it as what it is okay. It was one of those early channeled books I might think of it in a minute but the way he put it was that the spirit that he was talking to or the spirit that was talking to him said you know what we got inside your head one day and looked at the world through your eyes and he said we couldn’t believe that it wasn’t real even though we know it’s not real we couldn’t believe it because we were looking through your eyes and it looked absolutely 100% real and we can totally, understand why you would think that it is. Which I think was an amazing  perception if it of course you know you never know where this channel works whether it’s true or not but he wrote several books but that was a a good description I think of how strong our belief becomes as in terms of how we perceive the world because it looks so real and we can touch it, feel it, and smell it, and everything but we have other forms of perception that are coming more to the four now that are not these 5 century that we are aware that we are perceiving  messages or perceiving other realities whether they’re entities ghosts or um orbs or fairies or what whatever they are other otherworldly things that some people perceive, some people perceive energy I don’t.
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I never see auras, I can’t see auras but some people see auras um intuition is another  perception that people are developing more and more in a sight the third eye that’s perception too but we don’t give it much credence  it’s still in that area of  unknown really or not quite believable yeah, that’s perception at the level of three-dimensional reality what , what course of miracles is talking about there was that the miracle is a shift in perception and the shift in perception is from this our perceiving of the world as it is right now and that everything is wrong about it to perceiving it as perfect that’s the shift, that’s the miracle. See the perception that’s traditional forgiveness to seeing them as better than we thought they were or bringing compassion to a situation and seeing them differently and recognizing that we saw them falsely yes, that’s psychological perception but what we’re talking about is to be able to
perceive a different reality together to see the perfection of everything the way it is as it is that’s the shift and that’s when we call it, actually call my  worksheet or a workshop the miracles workshop because that is the
miracle  that’s the big shift in perception and every judgment that we make going back to the topic of judgment is a misperception and the misperception is that it’s wrong. The real perception is that it’s exactly how it needs to be.
See, all the stories that we have made up about our past take energy to hold to maintain so every story that we’ve made up along our timeline is taking energy to hold it there in our bodies as energy patterns and it’s moving. it’s you know, it’s taking up energy within our body as an energy drain if you like the more we repress that the more energy it takes to keep it down, and the analogy that I make there is if you try to if you take a beach ball and you try to you know, you’re in the water and you try to push it down under the water the further you try to push it the harder it is to keep it there right? because the ball wants to come back up well, it’s the same with repressed stories.Â
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They’re taking a huge amount of energy so when we do the forgiveness work or the radical forgiveness work because traditional forgiveness does not take away that energy. I’m sorry but it just doesn’t. There’s still the same amount of energy because the belief is still there that something wrong happened but when we do radical forgiveness those stories no longer get fed by energy and so they wither and die on the vine right there and we save all that energy and we bring it back into present time, same is truth, the future. We create a future with stories already made up, What if so and so gets to be president? what if the economy goes down the tubes? What if this happens? what if I go bankrupt? what if my wife leaves me? So we’ve now got, we’ve got energy going into the future we call those âWhat if storiesâ which means you’ve got no energy left in the present time in the middle, in the now which is the only time we need to worry about really is what’s happening now?
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 What is going on here and now but if we’ve got it invested in all these stories then we don’t have that energy so this is where radical forgiveness comes in as a very powerful lifestyle philosophy that gives you incredible amount of energy because you no longer have it all dissipated and invest in a whole load of stories a that happened way back when and were meant to happen that way and then these other stories that haven’t happened yet but you’re still investing energy in them anyway. So with radical forgiveness what we do, what happens is that these, the stories of the past they get transformed into stories of gratitude, thank you for doing this for me, and the what if stories in the future get transformed into stories of surrender. Whatever wants to happen is going to happen and it’s okay.
Well, this weight loss program that we’ve got um it’s not really designed for people who just want to shed a few pounds because you know they want to go to the beach and look good in a bikini. This is for people who are holding a lot of weight and they’re holding a lot of weight because they are using it as a defense and so our tagline for our weight loss program is that the only
thing that you have to give up in this program are the stories that cause the weight gain in the first place and nine times out of 10 is sexual abuse so a good part of the program is or the majority of the program, there is some physical aspects to it but the main part of the program is-do the forgiveness work and the weight will drop off because it’s serving a purpose and in the case of sexual abuse it’s nearly always to repel any  threat of sexual advancing what better way to make yourself sexually unattractive than to put on 150-250 pounds and mostly they pack it on around the waist, around the hips rather which is the chakra that would had been  traumatized so you do  the radical forgiveness work on your abuser, the sexual abuser and  and clear that energy out and the weight falls off that’s the spiritual approach to it.
That goes back to what I was talking about earlier on, we make the same mistakes over and over and over in order to give us an opportunity to see what our original pain was in the first place. Remember, I said that that we may have had an abandonment issue when we were a child, and  and so we keep creating abandonment issues until we get to a point where we recognized that there was a purpose in us keeping doing this so that we can learn the lesson and then stop having so that we no longer have to have the abandonment issue anymore so it’s serving a purpose but
really is the purpose is for us to be able to recognize that there is something going on that needs healing. We don’t know what it is but if we do take any one of those instances of the pattern and do the forgiveness work on that it clears the whole string out because it’s you’re actually, collapsing the energy that’s holding that pattern together and that’s where I talked about you know somebody didn’t turn up to lunch with you that day you do a worksheet on that and it clears out the whole thing.
This happens all the time and um you know the, what we have to understand is that kind of conflict was there for a reason. It was there to help one or both of them heal something deep within them at the psychological and the spiritual level, past life generation or no matter you know, who knows what it was but that’s the purpose of the conflict in the first place when one of the parties does the forgiveness work the radical forgiveness work for themselves because you have to understand that forgiveness is something you do for yourself not the other person okay?Â
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It’s not something you do for anybody, you do it just for you but as I said earlier once you change your energy then the other person is free to change theirs because the purpose of the conflict in the first place is now gone and the person has no need to act out the conflict for this person because they’ve now collapsed the story that was holding the conflict in place originally. Now, in my book chapter one, this is a story about my sister and it’s a long story I am going to go into now a lot of people know it. It’s almost universal-known now, of where she and her husband were having a , a conflict to the point where she was ready to leave him he was being so-called cruel, and by any standards, any therapist would have probably said, âYou’re right, is the relationship is over you should leave and she would have been right okay? We did radical forgiveness with her. It took me a little while to persuade her to even look at it though but we did radical forgiveness with her and she realized that it was not about him at all it was about her healing something around being perceiving herself as being unlovable by her own father (my father) once she realized that and did the forgiveness work on her father.Â
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Her husband dropped all of that behavior immediately because there was no need for him to do it anymore he was at the spiritual level doing it for her so she could heal this idea that was lovable and by the way she had created a whole pattern of men who treated her that way that she was unlovable and this was just going to be another instance of that pattern and she would have gone on and found someone else to do exactly, the same thing for her until she got it that it was not about them at all or her being unlovable it was about her belief that her father didn’t love her which he did by the way. So it’s a perfect example of how a conflict arises for a purpose and this is what I teach when I work with people in corporations. When you’re working in a corporation you’re a high-paid executive and you’re having trouble with one of your colleagues or with the director above you, you need to look at what your father’s issue was because that’s what’s being played out here. It’s not about the conflict but normal conflict resolution procedures or normal forgiveness procedures or  Â
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Psychotherapy procedures only operate in terms of what they see on the surface, they don’t go underneath to the spiritual reality that’s the the real cause of what’s going on as opposed to the apparent cause. It’ll shift in ways we don’t know and it’s none of our damn business to know. If we do the forgiveness work with the intention of trying to change the other person it will not work and in fact, we’ll get a lesson to the contrary. Spirit won’t let us get away with that okay, we do the forgiveness for ourselves and that’s it what happens after that is none of our business we cannot control it and if we try to, and try to manipulate somebody through forgiveness it’ll bounce way back on you it’s just can’t do that um but I always tell people as soon as they do the radical forgiveness work look to see what changes because it’s interesting and know that you did that know that that’s part of the process that as you change your energy, the energy changes all around you but it’s not you’re not deciding how that shall change. Well, it uses the same idea that um that there is this other power, this other force that we can tap into that  that is energy and that using  using certain tools that activate what is known as the law of attraction  you can bring these things into your experience okay so the secret was all about that, that movie âThe Secretâ um we do it a little differently a lot of the um, a lot of the teachers out there talk about the resistance that the subconscious mind will put up which is real I mean if you try to manifest a lot of money or a new job or whatever there’s always something in your mind which wants to resist and will not let you do it okay so what they then try to teach you is a way to reprogram the subconscious,
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 But my  my experience with  hypnotherapy taught me one thing that the subconscious mind is extremely resistant to change extremely, especially if that subconscious mind thinks that it’s um going to be a little bit painful it only thinks in terms of binary either pain or pleasure, good, bad, right, wrong so if , if having a lot of money creates anxiety within you which it does a lot of people which is why people who win the lottery always have gotten rid of it in three years the subconscious mind will throw it out they won’t let you manifest that money or if they do then they’ll make sure you never do it again or it makes sure so just like when we’re doing radical self forgiveness we bypassed the mind all together and went to the higher self so that’s what we do with radical manifestation and we use the worksheets and tools that we have to appeal directly to spirit if you like and surrender that to spirit so that if it’s to our highest good spirit will always say âYesâ so that’s the radical manifestation process which is very similar um so what we have now  just to sum up I guess in in how we’ve de how we’ve developed radical forgiveness it started out as purely a healing modality to help people you know, forgive a particular instance but then over the years it’s become more of a philosophy of life and a way of living consciously once you’re awake okay? It’s also become a way to create the future you want through radical manifestation because once you’ve let go of your past why not create the world you want to see, and that just doesn’t mean a new motorbike. It means changing the world , it, you know creating the world that you want to see out there, and then to that end then we have a radical transformation of world events which is another set of tools that we have to help you to see what’s going on out there in the world as perfect the way it is like the war in Syria, for instance, there’s a reason why that’s happening at the spiritual level okay so that’s how we see it as well as through the human lens but this spiritual lens is looking at it from a spiritual point of view and making a difference by holding the love vibration instead of the fear vibration, whenever you inject love into a situation you inject a positive energy, whenever you resist something and inject fear into it you take energy away from it so what’s best love or fear um we in radical forgiveness we say always go for love not fear.